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Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society

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The Noetic Society is a 501(c)(3) non-profit group with members in Southern California and around the world, who have been inspired to study Homer, Parmenides, the pre-Socratics, Plato, the neo-Platonists, and other perennial philosophers and mystics, not for academic reasons, but for personal spiritual growth. The society was founded by Pierre Grimes, PhD in 1967, and was incorporated in 1978.



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Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Oct 24, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Discussion of beginning of Plato’s Republic again with Jed; Three dream explorations; a question about Appolonius from Chris Highlights Third go with with Jed attempting to answer Pierre’s question about what is going on on page 1 of Plato’s Republic: Why does Socrates stay in the Piraeus and go with Glaucon to Cephalus’ house, and not return to Athens? How do you spot a reason? How do you recognize a motive? What conclusions are definitive, i.e., they solve the problem? Dream...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, book01, NSDRM
Synopsis On this Wednesday afternoon, JulieH and Regina explore a dream and dream fragment. Jed takes another shot at answering Pierre’s question about what is going on page 1 of the Republic , and why Socrates goes along. Highlights JulieH explores a dream she had this morning, with Pierre midwifing. Jed and Pierre continue to explore page 1 of Book 1 of Plato’s Republic (continued from last Friday ): Why does Socrates stay and go to Cephalos’ house? Dream fragment exploration with...
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Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Oct 20, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre leads the NS study group through this first evening in this series on Plato's Charmides . Notes The dialogue never reveals what temperance actually is, Pierre shows that there is a drama happening on top of the dialogue that reveals certain principles that show you what and how to use sophrosune. The principles are never really revealed in this video, perhaps the next one in the series I can gain more insight. Important parts of text first paragraph, “How did you survive the...
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Oct 20, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis This Sunday afternoon, Pierre doesn't show up until 44 minutes past the hour. So while waiting, we start in without him, trying our hand at helping Barbara explore a recent dream. Later, Pierre comes in and takes it much further – as may be expected! – and we get to compare our questions with his. Then Aram asks a question about applicability of dreams to wider contexts, which...
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Oct 18, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fine Saturday morning exploring dreams with Pierre’s midwifery. Highlights Continuation of Kate’s dream exploration from last night . Exploration of Josh’s Dream More exploration of Darlene’s dream from September 12th . A brief hello and announcement from Juan Balboa on his latest translation of Damascius (See references, below) Dream Texts Kate’s Dream (reprinted from yesterday) Brother came back in the dream. I was trying to get something to record him. He was just...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
Synopsis Another interesting, curious Friday evening with Pierre.. This time discussing multiple subjects, and doing one dream. Highlights Regina will be teaching a (Euclid’s) Geometry class using Rod Walbank’s model which he taught her in his class Literalism Dream analysis Pierre’s story about Enlightenment, and Reincarnation Understanding Symmetry Every single principle necessary for the dialectic emerges from the 4th dimension. Sensation, Perceptions, Concepts, Intuition Why the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, republic, book01, NSDRM
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Another great Wednesday afternoon talking with Pierre online. We discuss several interesting topics, and do a dream with Belinda. Highlights John Anthony West’s book, “Serpent in the Sky: The High Wisdom of Ancient Egypt” ISBN-10: 0835606910; ISBN-13: 978-0835606912 https://www.amazon.com/Serpent-Sky-Wisdom-Ancient-Egypt/dp/0835606910...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, republic, NSDRM
Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
Oct 14, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis A Sunday afternoon with several of the NS members videoconferencing with Pierre. We don’t do any dreams or studying, but we discuss several interesting subjects, and their relation to philosophy and philosophical midwifery. The bulk of last half of the time is on a comparison of philosophical midwifery with modern psychological practice. Highlights When does the soul enter the body? Inducing a mystical experience using hypnosis Michael Newton and Life Between Lives Hypnotherapy:...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1
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Oct 12, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis On this Saturday morning, Eldar, Sayon, and Kevin explore their dreams with Pierre. Highlights Some initial discussion of Proclus’ dialectic in his Commentary on Plato’s Parmenides (per ChrisC). Exploration of Eldar’s, Sayon’s, and Kevin’s dreams with Pierre midwifing Dream Texts Eldar’s Dream I was riding my bike down a parking garage and I came to a spot where I jumped down from a considerably tall ledge onto a lower level. At the same time I was hearing an advertisement...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, commentary-on-parmenides, NSDRM, proclus
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Oct 11, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis On this Friday night NS meeting online, Kate, Jed, and Chris each explore recent dreams with Pierre. Dream Texts Kate’s Dream 1 In hospital getting a shot. Mom was there. When I finished the shot I talked to another doctor who said he could give shots too. I said ‘good, I’ll get one next time from him’. Then I wandered about the building and caught a bus. In a dark train station. 2 It took me to the middle of town in New Orleans and I got out and had the bus driver stop because...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Oct 4, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis On this Saturday morning, Barbara, Belinda, Kate, and Grace explore their recent dreams with Pierre midwifing. Dream Texts Barbara’s Dream October 1 2020 In this dream I’m with some people (fellow spiritual seekers) we go to a, or end up at a large, clear, (naturally living, rock and algae) rock lined lake in the midst of (surrounded by) low mountains. And, to get down to the lake, there’s various ways (less direct, ways around) , but one way involves going down the rocky side of...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Synopsis Pierre introduces a question across Plato’s dialogues. Then he helps Jed, Chris, and Regina explore their dreams. Highlights Consider the ending of each of Plato’s dialogues: Did the person learn or change? (The real issue is courage .) Jed’s dream exploration, and post-discussion about midwifery Dream explorations with Chris and Regina Dream Texts Ged’s Dream – Sat 3 Oct 2020 SCENE 1 My friend Heath had gone to a prison, and when i walked to the prison with him i had given...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM
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Synopsis We discuss Pleasure and pain in the Phaedo, and then the Republic, and their relation to Courage, the True Lie, and Real Being. At the end, JulieH explores a dream with Pierre. Highlights Discussion of Phaedo and συκκεκραμενη
(‘mixed’) in 59A Phaedo Pleasure and Pain and Addiction Definition of Courage in Book 2 of Plato’s Republic (see our NS Reading List ) What is the relationship between sexuality and philosophy? What is the belief that is so important that...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, phaedo, republic, book02, book04, NSDRM
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Sep 30, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis This Sunday online, Josh and Barbara explore their recent dreams, with Pierre midwifing. Afterwards, discussion on wholes. Dream Texts Josh’s Dream I had this dream three times last night. I woke up three times and each of those three times I had the dream three times and during each of those times the dream occurred about three or four times repeatedly. In this dream I am at times watching a teacher teach a lesson and another times and the teacher teaching the lesson. The dream...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Sep 27, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis On this Saturday, Belinda, Aram, Sayon, and Darlene explore the meaning of their recent dreams, with Pierre midwifing. Dream Texts Belinda’s Dream I was putting pieces of like flowers together to make more flowers so like a progression of evolution of flowers Aram’s Dream – Wed 23 Sept 2020 Dream A Scene 1 i am going to the supermarket. on the way in, i bump in to T. we exchange greetings. i am wearing the fluorescent yellow vest he gave me. we both try to make a funny/pleasant...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Sep 26, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Eldar, JeffL, and Bradley explore their recent dreams with Pierre midwifing. Dream Texts Eldar’s Dream I’m walking up to a beach with my dad and another person. Maybe we had gotten there on a detour or we were showing the 3rd person something. I say to my dad “Oh look, the sand looks just like the sand in Croatia! It goes from brown to white as you get closer to the water.” I started to really feel like I was back in Croatia. He agreed.
 Then I walked onto the beach and then...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Sep 22, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Grace explores a couple of recent dreams with Pierre. Highlights Dream exploration with Grace Barbara and Eldar on what is good about studying Greek What article needs to be written to wake up our culture to the destruction it is about to bring upon itself What dialog could be written with a person who holds these current values? How do you know whether or not a person can do...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, NSDRM
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Sep 21, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Regina explores a dream with Pierre. Later Pierre asks us to consider why all religions and spiritual systems avoid the question of why we are here, why the soul wants to be reborn, and what is the purpose of our existence? Highlights Regina’s dream exploration with Pierre, and encouragement to write on the Self Plato goofed. All religions and spiritual systems have the same problem, and therefore, they are all inadequate. None of them ask, “Why am I here?”, and “Why does the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, NSDRM
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Sep 17, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Jed and JulieH explore recent dreams with Pierre. A bit of chat at beginning and end. Highlights Regina asks a question about a section of Book 5 in Proclus’ Commentary on Plato’s Parmenides Jed explores a dream with Pierre JulieH explores a dream with Pierre At the end, Pierre says: There is a hole in Plato. In the myth of Er (in the Republic), he doesn’t have anyone reborn as a philosopher. Why not? That leads to a rather perilous conclusion: This is true for Buddhism, Taoism,...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Today we discuss whether Philosophical Midwifery (PMW) can reach the same heights as any religion – or higher. We focus on Buddhism. At the end, Bradley explores a dream with Pierre which deals precisely with this subject. Synchronicity, baby. Highlights Pierre asks folks if they have an idea for what to talk about today. He picks David. David suggests topic: An explanation of the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, NSDRM
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Sep 13, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Darlene explores a dream with Pierre. Dream Texts Darlene's Dream -- Mon 7 Sept 2020 Jürgen and I are looking out over the ocean. We’re standing on a high cliff looking out. The ocean is below and out. I (or we?) see the ocean waters rising steadily up the cliff. We decide to return home and pack and leave for the high ground. There’s a sense we have time but we must hurry. I go through in my mind who I have to alert - some friends and family. I think about posting something on...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Sep 12, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Regina explores a dream with Pierre. Some discussion that this brings up on the importance of reflection. Then an exploration with Eldar of his dream. Highlights Regina’s dream exploration Discussion Pierre asks us if we followed the exploration with Regina the importance of Reflection what to do with tyranny How do you test for meaning? How do you go from what something is, to why it is? What is the importance of Regina’s statement about if she says something, it will get worse?...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Jed explores a dream with Pierre. This gets them into a discussion of Justice, Wisdom, Knowledge, and Courage in Plato’s Republic (which do not have the same meanings as in our language). Belinda explores a dream with Pierre at the end. Highlights Jed’s Dream Wisdom and Knowledge Courage, Pleasure and Pain the danger of calling the wrong things, ‘Good’ Is Plato trying to...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, republic, NSDRM
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Sep 7, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Kate and Grace explore their recent dreams with Pierre midwifing. Dream Texts Kate’s Dream – Sun 6 Sept 2020 {Old house in L.A. Driving through. I lived outside of the city in the country east of LA. Came in with Dawn who just had another baby. I was mad at her? She had another baby? Also because she was mad at me (which is true in life). Nadine (Debbie who called herself by her middle name for the last few years of her life) was there off and on. Glad she was because she’d deal...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Sep 6, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another good Saturday morning chat with Pierre. This morning, Pierre has a short chat (‘midwife-light’) with Nastasja, then midwifes Regina and Belind on their recent dreams. Dream Texts Regina’s Dream – 5 Sept 2020 There was a woman who was giving instruction on a certain kind of meditation. And we were practicing, and we were repeating what she was giving us. And we got to a particular pharse. And she read it. Duo, duos, dudo duos. I said duo, duce, duo. And I said oh, it’s...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
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Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre. We read in the Morrow & Dillon translation of Proclus’ Commentary on Plato’s Parmenides . Pierre encourages us, as usual, to read carefully, and to see where Proclus misses the mark, but also where he is brilliant. Highlights Book 6, sections 1071-2, p 424(1) Section ii - The Type of Discourse Suitable to the Subject What is being described here? Moving from Real Being to the One What steps must one take to do so? Proclus does not specify What...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, commentary-on-platos-parmenides, book06, proclus
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Synopsis Translation by Juan and Maria of selected passages (currently chapters 1, 28, 61, and 75-81) recommended by Pierre Grimes. (Alternatively titled, “Problems and Solutions Concerning First Principles” -- see also our NS Reading List for other translations). Thank you, Juan and Maria! Revisions 2020-10-17. Posted 2020-10-17. Chapters 1, 28, 61, and 75-81 [Current] 2020-09-03. Posted 2020-09-04. Chapters 1, 28, 61, and 75-77 2020-08-30. Posted 2020-08-31.
Topics: philosophy, plato, damascius, problems-and-solutions-concerning-first-principles
Synopsis Pierre and the NS continue our discussion on the place of the Ideas/Virtues. This leads us into a discussion of the Phaedo. Why is the dialogue named after him? Highlights Justice Philosophical Midwifery (PMW) as a way of dealing with (understanding) their anger What is it about tracing the consequences that is so important in reflection? How does this idea of Justice relate to Knowledge? Could we explore Courage, Temperance, Wisdom – all the virtues – in the same way we explored...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, chinul, phaedo
Synopsis This is the first in a 2-article series Pierre wrote in the early years developing Philosophical Midwifery. The second article is called, Vinodorus . Technical Issues I re-typeset the articles -- which were by now quite old -- for better readability. The original page numbers as printed in the journal are noted within the text. -JS Originally Published Quarterly Journal of Studies on Alcohol 22(1961): 277-2971 https://www.jsad.com/ (although I can no longer find the article on their...
Topics: philosophy, plato, philosophical-midwifery, pmw
Synopsis This is the 2nd in a 2-article series Pierre wrote in the early years developing Philosophical Midwifery. First article is called, Alcibiades . Abstract Vinodorus, the drunkard, explains that he cannot stand success; he works hard, achieves his goal, and then throws all away in a ruinous drinking bout. Under Socrates’ questioning, Vinodorus perceives that success to him means to be admired as a successful man. Socrates suggests that Vinodorus is satisfied with opinion, the semblance...
Topics: philosophy, plato, grimes, alcohol, alcoholism, philosophical-midwifery, pmw
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Aug 30, 2020 Pierre Grimes
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Synopsis This is a partial list of Pierre’s works, with handy links. The same list is available in PDF format in the Download Options menu on this page. (You can also Search Our Collection to see all the works of Pierre’s we have here in the collection.) Books Socrates and Jesus: A Dialogue in Heaven . 2016. ISBN-10 : 1507767897 / ISBN-13 : 978-1507767894 BookFinder.com BookScouter.com Unblocking: Removing Blocks to Understanding . 2014. ISBN-10 : 1489516190 / ISBN-13 : 9781489516190...
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Aug 29, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Below (and in PDF form for download and printing) are listed references to the works and translations the NS has most commonly used over the years, as well as works by some of our NS members. This is a work in progress, as there is much more to add. Pierre Grimes For Pierre’s works, please check out our Pierre Grimes Bibliography . Chinul The Korean Approach to Zen The Korean Approach to Zen: The Collected Works of Chinul . 1983. 468pp. ISBN-10 : 0824807855, ISBN-13 : 978-0824807856....
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Aug 29, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis JeffL and KateS explore their recent dreams with Pierre on a Friday night. Pierre gives us all tips on philosophical midwifery, and its relationship to philosophy and dreams. Highlights 7:10 Does PMW presuppose a platonic philosophy and Dreamwork and PMW is not for personal enhancement. It is for philosophy It’s not just for getting into our psychology, but working on more noble goals. JeffL’s dream The qualities of Justice as described in Book 6 of Plato’s Republic What does a...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Pierre continues to walk us through (‘DDDAS’) and now also the 24 categories of the Parmenidean / Proclean dialectic, in Book 5 of Proclus’ Commentary on Plato’s Parmenides , all ostensibly with an eye to what is going on in Plato’s dialogue, Lysis . Highlights Why is Socrates continuing through a formal talk with Menexenus, when it is obvious he is not following? Why is...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, lysis, commentary-on-parmenides, book05, proclus
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Aug 23, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis With Pierre as midwife, Ged, Belinda, and Bradley explore the meaning in their recent dreams. Dream Texts Ged’s Dream – Sat 22 August 2020 SCENE 1 A I go into the back room of my childhood house, and there were people playing cricket. I joined them as a fielder, and saw that the ball wasnt coming my way, so i moved to the other side of the field where i thought this particular batter might be inclined to hit the ball. Another ball was bowled, and the batter missed it, but from the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM
Title Plato: Lysis; Proclus: Commentary on Plato’s Parmenides DDDAS and the Virtues (and their Lack) in Every Past Pathologos Scene Synopsis We were supposed to start this beginner/dialogue track this Friday night, with Plato’s Lysis . It was to be a beginner’s meeting, but it ends up being advanced, talking about Proclus after all, and DDDAS (Definition, Demonstration, Division, Analysis and Synthesis), as well as the Virtues and Philosophical Midwifery. Highlights Why Lysis? Why did...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, lysis, commentary-on-parmenides, book05, proclus
Synopsis Granted, the assignment for today from last time had been a bit nebulous. But the main idea, anyway, had been to look at the first few pages of Book 5 in Proclus’ Commentary on Plato’s Parmenides , and try to understand the 4 (or 5) ideas Proclus gives there (of definition, demonstration, division, and synthesis / analysis). Pierre asks some introductory questions about this difficult piece of work, and it appears no one has a clear idea about it (or any specific questions...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, proclus, commentary-on-parmenides, parmenides, book05
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Aug 20, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Ged explores a dream with Pierre, woven in and out in pieces with our regular Wednesday meeting . Dream Texts Ged’s Dream 19th August 2020 SCENE 1 The first think i said was, “You have got to change your Self Image, but you do that by focusing on a different one. But then ultimately you want to get rid of that image, and you do that by focusing on the role”. There was a bridge over some water, it was a rope. I walked along it, and the rope broke. Then i was standing on the side....
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Synopsis Another fun Sunday afternoon with Pierre, on Zoom/Jitsi. First, JulieH asks Pierre for help understanding the neo-platonic practice of “theurgy”. Then Pierre midwifes Michelle in exploring a recent message from the “Dream Master”. Finally, Pierre proposes a new study group for newer members for studying the Platonic dialogues (as opposed to the more advanced work with Parmenides and Proclus), and we decide on how to proceed with that. Highlights (with JulieH) the spiritual...
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Synopsis A Sunday afternoon Jitsi’ing with Pierre and the NS. Pierre starts with some questions for us to consider. He gives us a snippet of his writing, asking what the relationship is of the pathologos to the Junior Gods and the Demiurgos. Raphael explores a dream with Pierre’s help. Pierre solicits reactions to the writing. Julie does a little Philosophical Midwifery with Pierre. Highlights Should the list of causes include all kinds of creation or only 1 (the one that the Demiurgos...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, NSPMW, NSDRM
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Aug 15, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Ged explores a dream with Pierre before our regular meeting . Recitification of names (proper naming). Putting the virtues from Plato’s Republic - esp Justice - on the scenes in the dream. JeffL reviews a fantasy while in Sesshin. Also some of his own notes from another recent Divine Luminosity experience Dream Texts Ged’s Dream – Fri 13 August 2020 SCENE 1 On a spaceship. And thinking about whether i would join that spaceship. It was small, one main, open room, and only a few...
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Aug 13, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre and insights from dreamwork and midwifery. Highlights Kate explores a dream with Pierre on a Saturday morning. This leads Sayon to suggest the 5-Second rule (1) to help one move forward on projects, whether asking for a raise or working on a project, which leads to a philosophical midwifery (PMW) talk with Sayon and Pierre about Sayon’s own “clan’s” rules against pursuing his own goals. We explore a dream with Regina A bit of discussion...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM, NSPMW
Synopsis On a Friday night we continue to look into the 7 causes (detailed in the Balboa document ), and the pathologos and midwifery. Do we need 1 or 2 more causes to account for the pathologos and perhaps also for midwifery? Highlights Must we ask, “What kinds of things have causes?”? What does each of the 7 causes presuppose? That something has come into existence? Does a PL have life? Or not? Thus must it account for “creation”, whenever something has come into existence? What gives...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, commentary-on-alcibiades, alcibiades, cratylus,...
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Jul 21, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre explores dreams with Jed, Josh, Sayon, JeffL, and AnthonyN on a Saturday morning. Dream Texts Jed’s dream – Wed 15 July 2020 SCENE 1 I go to this house. And i use a toilet that was in the middle of the kitchen. I move it out into another room, and its ok. But then i come back and there are 2 turds on the floor, and i thought that it must be because the toilet wasnt attached to plumbing when i was using it a moment ago. Laurel (mother) is in the kitchen, and she is ignoring...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and the NS, on Jitsi. Pierre asks us to see if we can see the 7 causes in Pierre’s Philosophical Midwifery. Highlights First we make a drawing Example: making a barn workman (efficient/creative cause) plan () for some purpose (that for the sake of which it came into existence) (final cause) instrumental ideal/ideas pragmata (model maker, substance of a model) Self itself emerging, abiding and returning to itself. (Supreme/final cause) Proclus spends...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, commentary-on-alcibiades, philosophical-midwifery, proclus, grimes
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Another Parmenides Study group meeting with Pierre. Pierre has us read the Balboas’ article with pieces of Proclus and Plato on the 7 causes, and explore Philosophical Midwifery (PMW) through these 7 causes. Highlights The Balboas have a 6-7 page article on the 7 Causes of Plato/Proclus in the Alcibiades and the Cratylus . Pierre posts a question in chat (below). Can the 7 Causes of...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, commentary-on-alcibiades, alcibiades, cratylus,...
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Jul 13, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis This Saturday there is a some introductory discussion, mostly Barbara and Don, and then Pierre, and then for the rest of the session, Eldar explores a dream with Pierre. There are technical issues with today’s recording – see below. Highlights Discussion between Barbara and Don Pierre tries to get us started on Cause and the Timaeus We pick up a pretty fundamental/phenomenal dream exploration with Eldar (text below) Dream Text Eldar’s Dream I was in a situation I had been in...
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Synopsis On a Friday night we continue to look into the 7 causes (detailed in the Balboa document ), and how to approach understanding them. We look at ‘Cause’ in Plato’s Timaeus . Highlights Niko asks a queston about the Cratylus regarding the shuttle Pierre asks: What is the approach you are using to make sense of these 7 causes: what they are and how Plato uses them? What is your method? Eldar, Barbara, Regina, Philly, Sean, and Jed are all asked how they approach understanding the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, timaeus, cratylus, commentary-on-alcibiades, proclus
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Title Pierre’s ‘Parchment’: Proclus, 3 (of the 7) Causes, Difference, and Philosophical Midwifery Synopsis Another Parmenides Study group meeting with Pierre. Pierre asks us that as we read the Balboa paper on Proclus, the First Alcibiades, and the Cratylus, and the 7 causes, do we have a strategy or way of going about doing so? He also has us read a short blurb he wrote on Proclus,...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, commentary-on-alcibiades, alcibiades, cratylus
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Title Comparing the Daimon to the One-Self Synopsis Sunday afternoon with Pierre during our Parmenides Study time. Highlights with Bradley with Belinda on comparing two sets of negatives: those used for the One-Self and for the Daemon One, Self, One-Self, Daemon: Are they different or same? What is the relationship of Providence to the Daemon(s) and/or to the One-Self? The first 3 steps of the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, apology, cratylus, symposium, parmenides, hyp1
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Jul 5, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre and the gang. Continuing on yesterday’s discussion regarding the comparison of individual goods, Pierre (with Cathy’s help, and her having read the translation from the Balboas) explores how to have a conversation with people regarding their ‘goods’, and what the ultimate Good/goal is, both for us individually, and for all of us – the group we call ‘humanity’. Highlights chat with Kevin Belinda’s question in the 7-page doc from the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, cratylus
Synopsis Another Friday night with Pierre and the NS, on Jitsi. What is the 7th Cause? What is the Paradigmatic Cause? Is there a way to distinguish among the many goals that people have that they call their good, and find one that is truly better? Highlights Discussion with Jed about the Final Cause How do we make sense of the 7th Cause? A house An example in the Cratylus How does a person know that they are on the right path? How do you know when you are on the road to Reality? How do you...
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Pierre leads the group through (again) an introduction to three puzzles in Plato’s (First) Alcibiades , along with help from Proclus’ Commentary on the Alcibiades : (a) The Seven Causes (super-set of Aristotle’s four), (b) the importance of naming , and (c) that curious Platonic word, art . Highlights 15:08 why did Proclus need the 7 causes in his Commentary on the Alcibiades?...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, alcibiades, cratylus, commentary-on-alcibiades
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Jun 29, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Sunday afternoon Parmenides talk with Pierre, starting into the seven causes from Proclus’ Commentary on Plato’s (First) Alcibiades , and some dream-work . Highlights talk w Regina about her state of mind start into the 7 causes, in Proclus’ Commentary on Plato’s Alcibiades (see Study Materials , below) break for dream explorations with Jed and Grace return to the 7 Causes (Don) The One Ineffable Cause (the cause w/o which no cause could be a cause) Paradigmatical Cause...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, commentary-first-alcibiades, proclus
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Jun 29, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Jed and Grace explore recent dreams with Pierre on Sunday afternoon in the middle of our regular meeting . Dream Texts Jed’s Dream – Mon 29th June 2020 SCENE 1 I go to a soccer park to try out for a soccer team. My footwork is a bit clumsy. My foot feels like it moves slower than I’m used to. So I can’t do the moves I want to do, and I can barely keep the ball in the game. It’s difficult and then the practice/try outs end much sooner than I expected. And I realise that I must...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Jun 28, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Saturday morning with Pierre, starting again with ‘part’ and ‘whole’ in the opening lines of the first hypothesis of Plato’s Parmenides . (We use the Balboa translation .) Highlights Hellos to Eve and Niko Belinda: What can we say about the Self? Is it Intellect Intellecting the Intelligible? Continuing yesterday’s discussion In order for a part to become a part of a whole, must it fit symmetrically? Why did ‘God’ give us symmetry? I.e., What is the origina of symmetry?...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, proclus, commentary-first-alcibiades
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Jun 27, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis After exploring JeffL’s dream , Pierre has us look again at the first few lines of the First Hypothesis of Plato’s Parmenides . Highlights (with JulieH) reading of first three lines of Hyp1 (2018-jas-formatted version) How do the parts know where to go? Do some wholes comprehend the parts, and others do not? How does a part become a part of a whole? Is Part/Whole an invention we’ve made? Where does the Intelligibility come from? As you look at the first page now, the first 5...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Jun 27, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Before our regular Friday night talk , Pierre helps JeffL explore a recent dream. Dream Texts JeffL’s Dream – Thu 25 June 2020 I’m going with Brad T and we’re going down this alley. We’re going to a pizza parlor. There is a group of us and our friend Chris ordered the pizzas and we are going to pick them up. The pizzas are already paid for and everything. We also happen to be in Arkansas. We go into the pizza shop and I’m thinking “damn Arkansas, isn’t this a Covid...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Jun 24, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Credits Recording, title, and highlights: Barbara Chart Photo(s): JeffL, Regina Original Location https://archive.org/details/20200621NSPRM Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy our free audios and videos? Please consider supporting Pierre, the NS, and our archiving activity by giving a small amount monthly to support our work. Go to...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Jun 21, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Saturday morning with Pierre and the gang. First Pierre explores a dream with Kate , and then we discuss Plato’s Parmenides ( Balboa translation ), first hypothesis. We are still on the first page. Highlights Pierre asks us to review our talk last night (unrecorded) since he was not there 10:34 - 11:16 Regina and he discuss how to understand Parmenides, P1-001 (the first sentence of the first hypothesis), specifically the phrase, ‘in some other way’, vs one alternative...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Jun 21, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis This Saturday morning we start out with a dream exploration with Kate (here) and then go on to more Parmenides study . Dream Texts Kate’s Dream – Thu 18 June 2020 Driving to mountain area? Janet was there, we were kind of party/gathering? Janet was drinking. I asked her about it. She said she drinks occasionally and it was ok. Thought about how it would be if I drank. A man, driving to mountain area. I in passenger seat, car stopped a few times but he wasn’t concerned about it. A...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Jun 18, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis In today’s Wednesday Parmenides meeting via Jitsi, Pierre first helps Sean explore a recent dream . Then Pierre opens up study of the Plato’s Parmenides (using the Balboa translation ) at P1-001 (the first sentence of the first hypothesis) and asks if there is a better reason than Proclus gives, for why the very first sentence on the One should refer to the Many!? In the second...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, theaetetus, hyp1
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Jun 18, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Today Pierre first helps Sean explore a recent dream, and then we go into our regular Wednesday Parmenides study . Dream Texts Sean’s Dream – Wed June 17th 2020 6:55A I was in some sort of sea-side town and I had a horse. I was riding a horse. I had just come from a reggae concert, and I remember after the concert I had… I think there was someone that I was working with and we were sharing a hotel room and I remember being, I remember lying in bed with her and thinking how...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
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Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis Sunday afternoon with Pierre and the Parmenides study group. Dream explorations with Grace and Michelle. Parmenides. Black Lives Matter. Highlights Initial discussion Grace’s Dream What happens when you are looking into a subject, and you’ve looked at all the possibilities. You’ve done it all. Can we say you have a complete understanding of it? If you have a complete...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, NSDRM
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Synopsis A Saturday morning Jitsi’ing with Pierre. No dreams or casual chat – We jump right into the Parmenides ( Balboa translation ). Pierre asks us what we do after collecting all the points about the One that Is (of the First Hypothesis). We do get stuck on P1-052 and how ‘Nature’ is being used, there. Highlights Can we bring together all the things said about the One that Is? It is not a many (as other ones are) It is not a whole no parts no beginning, middle or end no limit/bound...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Jun 13, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another Friday evening with Pierre and the gang. About an hour and three quarters spent exploring two dreams , sandwiched between about 20 minutes of questions from our members (here). Topic Highlights First few minutes: KevinG asks what is the relation between Self and the Destiny of Man Then we spend the majority of the evening exploring dreams Last few minutes: Jed’s question How can an “If” statement (like the 9 hypotheses we find in the Parmenides) lead to Truth? How can...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Jun 13, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Eldar and Grace explore their recent dreams with Pierre on a Friday night gathering on Jitsi, in between some other interesting questions . Grace’s dream brings up philosophical issues of relativism and the problem of materialism (empiricism) in our current kind of science. Dream Texts Eldar’s Dream My mum had just gotten back from somewhere. We greeted each other. She looked like she had something on her mind. My dad was there too. I think there was a diagram or photo of my...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
Synopsis Sunday afternoon with Pierre. I start recording with a talk Ged is already in the middle of with Pierre. Then we discuss the relevance of the Theaetetus and Midwifery to the talk with Ged. Then we get into the Parmenides with Eldar’s question about Rest and Motion Highlights PMW with Ged on knowledge and understanding Pierre suggests Ged read the Theaetetus and look both at the beginning (about 149a onward) for introducing a potential pregnant party / interlocutor to midwifery, and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theaetetus, parmenides, NSPMW
Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre. First we explore a dream of Eldar’s . Then immediately following that (this recording), Pierre asks us to consider what we gained from listening to Eldar’s exploration (and from all dream explorations). This leads us into a discussion of tyranny, which leads us to consider the “matter” in the “Black Lives Matter” movement, and what societal positives have come out of wake of the George Floyd murder in Minnesota. Highlights Eldar’s...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1
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Jun 7, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Another fun Saturday morning with Pierre. We start out (here) with exploring a dream with Eldar. Then we continue the discussion with our normal Saturday morning informal chat , Pierre continuing on by asking folks what it does for them to listen and be present at a dream exploration. - Eldar, dream Dream Texts Eldar’s Dream I was arriving at my old place and there was a sense that it’s been quite a while, and that this is some kind of homecoming. I was in the garage and I was...
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Synopsis Tonight we continue our study of Plato’s Parmenides . Pierre had asked us to bring with us to tonight’s discussion any questions we have on the first hypothesis. So he fields questions from Regina, JeffL, and Ged. Barbara does bring up another issue, but we never came back around to it. Perhaps we will tomorrow . At about 0:13:19, Pierre stops to explore a dream with Regina , which I spliced out into a separate recording. Then we return here to continue our discussion of the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, NSPMW, ion, being-the-one
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Jun 6, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Before our Friday night study (of Parmenides) tonight , Regina explores a dream with Pierre’s help. Dream Text Regina’s Dream – Thu 4 June 2020 I had an image of a slide, it was wide, white slide and it had huge L’s letter, each one was a huge L. There were 3 of them that were noticeable. But where they came from was like the top of a slide. As they slide down they turned so the letter L was full and had depth. They were all big white translucent white. And as I was watching...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session. Today we read Synopsis After first exploring two dreams , we continue our puzzling today on the first hypothesis of Plato’s Parmenides . Pierre opens it up and asks those of us who have been reading and studying in it what questions we have. We get a good question or two to look at, but at the end Pierre asks tus to bring more questions next time. As usual, we use the translation from our own Juan and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1
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Jun 4, 2020 Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society
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Synopsis Today, before our regular study session on the Parmenides , Pierre helps Kate and Grace explore their recent dreams. Dream Texts Kate’s Dream – Tue 2 June 2020 In the house, came home to a young woman on the phone, talking, yelling to someone on the phone. 2 others, male and female were in another room, room mates of mine? I told her to leave, she didn’t belong there yelling on the phone. After she left I was mad at the other couple for letting her in. I went into the room and...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSDRM, pg1
Synopsis Another lovely Saturday morning with Pierre on Jitsi! What a super way to end (and re-start) the week. Topic Highlights Barbara’s discussion with Pierre on … Dream with Eldar Cause in the Ion , with DonB Robin’s Dream with JeffL 11:18am is Socrates showing evidence of possessing an art (in the Ion )? Must one use their knowledge to benefit the subject, which brings them into a better state of mind? Likewise, in Plato’s dialogue, Parmenides , did Socrates benefit in any way from...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, ion, symposium, parmenides, meno, NSDRM